tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4407860231382967590.post2252748486669930792..comments2023-06-06T04:54:53.829-08:00Comments on Divine Plea: Need before Greed - Broken as hell or working as intendedAdgamorixhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07642665863641484225noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4407860231382967590.post-33525477958414155312010-12-27T09:24:05.241-09:002010-12-27T09:24:05.241-09:00I love the idea of a "Need Offspec" butt...I love the idea of a "Need Offspec" button, and it would be nice if they implemented it. I suspect that the main reason is the gear itself rather than the Need Before Greed system. As Vrykerion said, some is dual purpose, some is less-than-ideal-but-still-an-upgrade and so on. The big problem with implementing this system is going and "tagging" all the gear so that the NBG system knows what to do with it. Keep in mind that you would have to do this with every single item that can drop in the world (NBG system works in groups outside of dungeons as well, of course). I imagine that would be a tremendous amount of effort for a system that works just fine, but not perfectly optimally.<br /><br />* Deleted and reposted to correct Vrykerion's name. :)Fannonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17113088072985141570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4407860231382967590.post-62528617571839286912010-12-27T09:21:57.487-09:002010-12-27T09:21:57.487-09:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fannonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17113088072985141570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4407860231382967590.post-18814624777718555542010-12-26T02:22:07.065-09:002010-12-26T02:22:07.065-09:00When in doubt, I just ask. I agree that the curren...When in doubt, I just ask. I agree that the current system is problematic - I've seen tanks lose the Black Heart to non-tanks, etc. Nine times out of ten if someone says, "Mind if I need for off?" most of the group will say, "Sure." If a main spec person really does need it, they'll usually speak up too. (In this case, if an offspec person wins it I'd think they should trade it to the main spec person). Social pressure is important here. If everyone expects to have to cede gear to main spec before they can gear their off (and behave accordingly) then it will work. If they're just out for themselves, then it won't... But I've seen groups able to apply social pressure to make someone trade an item they "shouldn't have won." It'd be nice to have that "Need Offspec" button just as a way of saying "I'd rather this didn't get sharded since I'd take it, but don't want to take it from someone who needs it more."Vidyalahttp://manalicious.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4407860231382967590.post-81382926316252062642010-12-22T15:39:38.754-09:002010-12-22T15:39:38.754-09:00I agree - or even worse look at rogue vs feral tan...I agree - or even worse look at rogue vs feral tank gear. I hesitate to call it an honesty system, since rolling need on something you can use - regardless of spec - is the rules that Blizzard has in play atm.<br /><br />I guess the best practice would be to state up front that you're going to be rolling on anything that suits your fancy - and accept that the group might not react well. <br /><br />Either that - or just assume that everyone you run with is going to do that.Adgamorixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07642665863641484225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4407860231382967590.post-53683984014909580752010-12-22T15:18:24.411-09:002010-12-22T15:18:24.411-09:00The only way I can actually see a Need Offspec but...The only way I can actually see a Need Offspec button working is if the overlap between gear types disappeared.<br /><br />For instance, there is Caster DPS items (Usually with +Hit on them) and Healer items (Usually with +Spirit on them) but there are many items that work for both Healers and DPS. That middle ground needs to go away, or else your back to the honesty system about what your main spec and what your off spec is, and if you're leaving it up the honesty system, the current Need/Greed is just as problematic in that regard.<br /><br />So you'd have to re-itemize things to be for Healers, Tanks and DPS so that this would work correctly... at least that's my impression.Vrykerionhttp://oddcraft.netnoreply@blogger.com