TOR - Good vs Evil, and Light vs Dark

Spend twenty seconds (maybe less) around anything Star Wars related, and you'll be exposed to the Force in some form or another.  Good, bad, may the Force be with you - all of these things come up when interacting within the universe of Star Wars.  Instinctively, and though observation, we come to learn that the Light side of the Force is all that is "good", and the Dark side is "evil".  Here's where my questions begin though.  As a confession, I'll admit that my research is pretty limited on this, and entire philosphy courses are held just to discuss the concept of "Evil" - so here's my thoughts in blog post.

Dark Side vs Light Side

In TOR, most of the interactions (read, quests) that you conduct will at some point give you an opportunity to gain either points in either Light or Dark, and that choice is generally pretty clear cut.  Kill someone, and you're probably going Dark.  Let someone live, and it's the Light for you.  Of course, then you get past death, and you really run into some grey areas.

An ealy Sith Inquisitor quest gives you the opportunity to torture someone with lightning, Palpatine style.  This action of course, earns you Dark points, but gets you the information you want.  Now, on the Jedi Knight side, you have an opportunity to use a "Jedi mind trick" to convince some Twi'leks that they need to move on about their business - yet this is a neutral action (note that slaying them all is Dark). 

What the hell?  Since when did physical torture override mental manipulation as "evil"?  Ask anyone who's been conned, or even really tricked or maniuplated, how they feel, and it's often compared to mental rape.  That's what the Jedi just did, he went in and violated your mind and your free will, to get what he wanted.  Obi-wan on Tattooine, again with the death stick incident in Clones (yes, I've watched all the movies, including Jar-Jar).  Are you really going to tell me that the incident with Qui-gon and the giant fish at the start of Episode I wasn't him bringing some fish in?

What about the Jedi vs the Sith in TOR?  As a Jedi Consular you're throwing rocks, droids, chairs, etc at your enemies - generally with the intention of killing them.  Sith, you're shooting lightning like you're working for Texas Electric.  Why is one action inherently worse than the other?

Getting Deeper

Now, this is where I think that the users of the Light side claim that the ends justify the means - as long as it's done within a certin set of boundries.  Flesh Eaters are attacking a settlement and killing off the refugees.  You go out, find the ring of some dead leader, and along the way are given a side quest of killing say 20 Flesh Raiders along the way.  Now I know this is an MMO, and quests are part of the gig, but is this really any different than Anakin killing off all the Tuskan Raiders? 

Maybe if the quest giver (the guy who sends you off to find his father) had done the killing instead, HE would be turning to the dark path.  Since it was done by proxy though (granted you don't kill of any younglings, maybe that's the line in the sand?), it's all OK?  It really seems to me that it's all kind of arbitrary, as the Jedi are just as big a group of killing machines as the Sith.

Stage Two - You are a lying son of a bitch

OK, so we've kind of established (though this very scientific and well researched post) that killing people seems to be Dark, and mind control is "Light".  It seems lying and betrayal can also fall into the Light side, since there is more than one quest where you change your stance on something.  Oh, you mean the crazy old man wasn't telling the truth?  Well here, let me do the right thing for you, and I'll just TELL him I did the deed.  He'll never know.  If he does question it, I can just mind trick him, or threaten him.  Those appear to be valid responses, though I can't just shoot him.

Same thing goes with the damn companions.  You might think you're saying the right thing, but then noooo, that -1 appears because you've crossed some imaginary line in the sand.  These people are more fickle than a prom queen.  Even if you're ignoring their reactions they still have to butt in with their opinions every now and then.

The Light and the Empire

The real bitch of this whole thing is, the Empire is clearly the evil faction in Star Wars.  You can make a pretty legitimate case for the Horde and the Alliance in WoW, but it's really tough to try and say the Empire is actually a bunch of misunderstood good guys with a different agenda.  Sure, the Republic does its fair share of dastardly deeds (heaven help you if you're poor on Coruscant), but I think the overall goal is for "good". 

This kind of throws you in a lurch if you want to play a character of the opposite force side.  A fallen Jedi?  A goody goody Bounty Hunter?  Actually, I have both of those, but it still makes life interesting.  I'm also fairly certain that Light Side choices give me better rewards than Dark Side, which is pretty much a bunch of crap.  At the very least I should be checking the pockets of people I impale.

In the end

In reality, at this point of the game, your Light/Dark choices are purely a RP tool.  You get to look all evil if you go Dark, and there are of course some game changes either way - but nothing that will basically end your character.  I do think that would be a funny option though.  Mouth off to a Darth and he just up and kills you.  No Medical Facility rez, just reroll.  I'd play that game.

I think I'm just irritated by the whole Light side thing.  Part of this may stem from my disdain of organized religion (don't even get me started on that - it's bad enough my wife is Catholic).  Really though, if you can say that it's impossible to understand the ways of the Force, and the Force brought us together, how do you know the Force didn't bring my lightsaber into your gut?  Oh, NOW you question the Force.  This is why evil wins.  They cheat.

Here's to lying, cheating, and killing my way through TOR.  One rebel scum at a time.

Gen - Direction of me and this blog

Like many WoW players (this is based purely on the people I know), I'm currently playing TOR as my primary MMO.  WoW is still there for my primary raiding needs, but I'm thouroughly enjoying a game that I haven't explored from top to bottom.  I've killed Deathwing.  I've collected a ton of pets.  I've pretty much done everything I've set out to do.  Of course I'll still be here for MoP, but probably in a much reduced capacity.

Nothing much to talk about

Right now there just doesn't seem to be a whole lot to discuss regarding WoW.  We've looked at talents, raiding, guild applications, and fail PUGs.  MoP will bring some more discussion out of the woodwork, as we look at the severly reduced talent trees, companion pet combat (never before have I so wished I had a zergling or Diablo) and the new instances and raids.  Right now though I am 100% certain that my only raiding will be done via the LFR, as upcoming life changes will eliminate my ability to commit to fixed raid schedule. 

So where do I go from here?

I still need an outlet for my occasional thoughts and rants, so Divine Plea will stay open for that purpose.  I'll be talking about TOR from time to time (I never did think this day would come), especially the points that I think are more interesting - like Light vs Dark.  I'll also be writing about interesting WoW changes.  Don't look for boss strats or BiS lists anytime soon though.

Thanks to everyone who's followed along so far, and I hope to see you around here still.